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Leaving out any sexual interest for the moment, am I the only one who thinks the Jack/Ianto/Lisa relationship looks an awful lot like the Mal/Simon/River relationship in the first episodes of Firefly?
Simon has lied, cheated, and sacrificed everything out of love for the damaged and very dangerous River. Mal is apalled that Simon has brought this danger into his ship and upon their heads, but at the same time he can't help respecting Simon for everything that he's accomplished and for the fact that he was motivated by love and loyalty, so he goes out of his way to give Simon a break.
The difference, of course, is that Simon is so patronizingly clueless about most things I have the urge to slap him upside the head every hour on the hour and twice at meals and bedtime; whereas Ianto I just want to cuddle.
The difference, of course, is that Simon is so patronizingly clueless about most things I have the urge to slap him upside the head every hour on the hour and twice at meals and bedtime; whereas Ianto I just want to cuddle.
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Date: 2007-12-12 03:39 pm (UTC)I missed that episode! :)
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Date: 2007-12-12 03:40 pm (UTC)Mind you, that would have made for a better episode than some they filmed. Firefly suffered terribly from predictability.
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Date: 2007-12-12 04:27 pm (UTC)We didn't really get to see much between Ianto and Lisa, and she was supposed to be drugged out of her gourd anyway. But in general I do like the characters much better on TW than on Firefly.
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Date: 2007-12-12 07:23 pm (UTC)But to make up for that, I think there is some fabulous chemistry on TW (Gwen/Owen, for example) that Firefly did not have (Simon/Kaylee).
That is completely spot on! Though I dislike the Gwen/Owen they did do a good 'hide it and be rough' thing while I think Simon/Kaylee was just forced.
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Date: 2007-12-12 04:25 pm (UTC)But I notice it!!!
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Date: 2007-12-12 06:19 pm (UTC)Can alway rely on you, noble Lioness, to notice patterns no one else has. & yeah, now that you mention it, there *are* remarkable similarities.
& you may want to cuddle Ianto--& I am not immune to the allure--but while I might not want to pop him one, I do sometimes have the urge to shake him by the shoulders & yell, "You were at Canary Wharf; you work for TW, boy, get a clue!"
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Date: 2007-12-12 08:12 pm (UTC)As for Gwen--oh, God, Gwen! (Clutches hair in dismay.) I don't know WHAT the writers were thinking, the first time we saw her she was presented as a clever, feisty cop experienced enough she took murder scenes & wrestling drunken yobbos twice her size in her stride, next thing you know she was wringing her hands & rolling her eyes like a particularly silly 13-year-old. Now *there's* a character I want to smack upside the head every hour on the hour.
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Date: 2007-12-12 06:30 pm (UTC)That said I think Firefly had some of the strongest writing I've ever seen in TV in terms of the solidity of each episode and to my mind TW isn't there yet. There were large sections of S1 that felt half-baked to me.
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Date: 2007-12-12 08:43 pm (UTC)Anyway, I've been thinking about writing a corssover for a while, but I'm afraid there would be no mal/simon in it. the pairings would probably be mal/jayne, jack/ianto.
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Date: 2007-12-12 11:57 pm (UTC)I could waffle about it for a long time because I deeply love both shows (though I think Firefly was better, more cohesive and clearer all round) but I'd bore everyone *g* so I'll just say - superficially it's similar, but when you look at character motivations and history and background, it's very different indeed.
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Date: 2007-12-13 12:00 pm (UTC)But now I want the Mal/Simon sexual interest (but obviously NOT the Simon/River one.....ew)
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Date: 2007-12-14 06:49 am (UTC)Fangirl.....
Never
*chuckle*
Okay, maybe slightly.
:D