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crabby_lioness ([personal profile] crabby_lioness) wrote2006-10-28 11:14 pm
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How Long Has Jack Protected the Doctor From Torchwood?

Torchwood has been looking for the Doctor since 1897. They didn't find him until 2006, in spite of the Doctor being prominent with U.N.I.T. throughout the 1960s and the 1970s. Why not?

According to the http://www.torchwood.org.uk/html/jack/snaps.shtml Jack appears to have held prominent positions in Torchwood since 1961. Has Jack been fudging Torchwood's records to protect the Doctor for 45 years? Has he been collecting the Doctor's "flotsam and jetsam" and storing them at his office to keep them away from the London branch? Did he set off the "Bad Wolf virus" mentioned in Love & Monsters that protects the data on Rose? It fits Occam's Razor.

If my theory is correct then it's possible that some agents Jack has trained have gone on to work for the home office in London. They could have instructions to look out for their old boss and redirect Doctor-memorabilia his way when they get the chance.

So far we've only seen two episodes. Knowing my luck, something will come up in the third episode that will completely blow this theory out of the water. But until that happens, it's the most elegant, the most logical, and the most romantic explanation. That's a winning combination in my book.
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[identity profile] absdax.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
didn't 9 give someone (micky???) a disk in one episode of ecclestones series to delete all mention of the Doctor from the internet?? i havew only vauge memories of this... i might of dreamed it thou! this disk could also of got into the Torchwood computers and deleted their files too, just a theory!
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[personal profile] forwardish 2006-10-29 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
The Bad Wolf virus I had the feeling was something Rose pulled off when she was all glowy.
But the other points have me thinking.
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[identity profile] boji.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course - drawing on the temporal paradox which might be at work here - I rather like the idea that in some 'original' 51st century timeline he was sent to intercept the Doctor and spy/gather information for Torchwood ended up getting 'rescued' from a scheme that had gone FUBAR, became a companion and had any/all preconceptions about the Doctor utterly turned on their head.

And then, once finding himself way back in the twentieth century set about protecting the Doctor with everything at his disposal and everything he could salvage/scavenge.

It's a love thang

[identity profile] indiefairy.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the theory, it is very romantic, makes me all warm thinking that Jack has been protecting the Doctor, even though he abandoned him.

[identity profile] staceyuk.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I really like that theory.

*hugs Jack, just because*
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[personal profile] suzy_queue 2006-10-29 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that's a great theory, and also plausible. Nifty.

(Anonymous) 2006-10-29 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
My take on this is that during the UNIT years, The Doctor was in effect under UNIT protection, and Torchwood did not want to risk exposure.

Even after that, trying to predict when and where The Doctor would turn up would be virtually impossible. And could still have led to a turf war with UNIT.

Then after the assasination of the most prominent members of UNIT during Aliens of London/WW3, it is logical to assume UNIT were crippled as an effective organisation. Which would give Torchwood more freedom.

Besides, they only caught The Doctor because he took the Tardis straight into Torchwood One. So they're not that brilliant... :-)

[personal profile] aeshna_uk 2006-10-29 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect Jack's just been waiting for the right point in the Doctor's timeline. After all, wouldn't want to dole out that well-deserved kicking to the guy before they've even met, would he? Got to make sure it goes to the one who actually has it coming.... ;)

I never read "get the Doctor!" as being Torchwood's primary purpose - it was more to protect the country and the empire from alien threats, of whom the Doctor was regarded as just one of many. I don't think they were ever really specifically hunting for him in a major sense, but would have paid attention if he'd made a real nuisance of himself. Most of the time the Doctor was around, though, I'd imagine that Torchwood would have been far more concerned with the same invasions he was tackling. And this is assuming that Jack/Torchwood would even know who they were looking for. Jack knew Nine, and from Victoria's descriptions of Rose he might twig to the fact that Ten really IS the Doctor, but he wouldn't have a clue regarding the other, Rose-free incarnations, and neither would the rest of Torchwood. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose, and it's not as though they'd have had nothing else more important to be getting along with.... :)

[identity profile] ryttu3k.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I REALLY like that idea. And remember, he was trained as a Time Agent - he'd know that meeting the Doctor before he met him (uh, you know what I mean) would have serious repercussions on the timeline, possibly resulting in his not meeting the Doctor in the first place and thus undoing the time line. Whoa, confusing.

But yeah - I love this idea.

[identity profile] cosmic.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh Jack. Like he hadn't broken my little shippery heart enough with the Hand.

I love that theory.

[identity profile] flynn-boyant.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, the theories just keep getting better and better! I love how you think (especially when it's concerning Jack and the Doctor).

It's a touching scenario and so very, very possible. At least in my opinion.

[identity profile] nightswhisper.livejournal.com 2006-10-29 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
OOO! Nice theories you have here. About Jack leaping back in time, in the 2nd to last episode, entitled "Captain Jack Harkness" (even) the episode summary is as follows...

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Interesting, given these thoughts, ne?

[identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com 2006-10-30 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I love the idea of this! It makes a bit of sense, too, that they really don't seem to notice the Doctor as much as you think a highly technological 20th/21st Century cover group could....

Also, it would make it so tragic if, when they meet, Ten is just completely pissed that Jack cheated death or whatever.

Though, I'm half of a mind to believe that Torchwood got Jack to join because he was that pissed at the Doctor and wanted a little revenge, at least at first ^.^